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COExperts seems to be the unit of choice... | Constantin | 6/26/04 |
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But which CO detector to use? | Constantin | 6/17/04 |
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Well, what kind of a remedy do you propose? | Constantin | 6/16/04 |
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Hey Mark, | Constantin | 6/9/04 |
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Summer Schedule | Tim McElwain | 6/6/04 |
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There is a difference though. | Constantin | 4/6/04 |
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Wonder where they got the Experts | rudy | 3/15/04 |
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Such a shame | rudy | 3/10/04 |
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CO-Experts Low Level Monitors | rudy | 2/21/04 |
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good for | Mark Hunt | 2/2/04 |
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Date: June 26, 2004 08:08 AM
Author: Constantin (HeatingHelp@vonwentzel.net)
Subject: COExperts seems to be the unit of choice...
... at least as far as Mark Hunt, Firedragon, George Kerr (the owner of COexperts), and many others are concerned. Some folks might take Mr. Kerr's CO article with a grain of salt simply because he owns a company that is selling competing CO detectors. However, please note how he disclosed his potential bias by listing all his affiliations at the bottom of the article.
As a mere engineer homeowner, I happen to like the concept behind the COExperts unit (i.e. ignore UL standards if they violate applicable long-term CO exposure standards) and plan to install several units in my home. For me, the reasoning that Mr. Kerr presents as to why his units are superior appears to be sound. The consensus on this board also appears to be favorable WRT to the COExperts units.
Considering all the hoopla Mr. Kerr is raising, I wonder how long it will be before an ambulance-chaser will start a class-action lawsuit and bring the other players in the CO detector industry to their knees. There seems to be a steady supply of dead/dysfunctional folks as a result of not getting proper CO warnings, so there should be no shortage of plaintiffs.
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=107703)
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Date: June 17, 2004 02:36 PM
Author: Constantin (HeatingHelp@vonwentzel.net)
Subject: But which CO detector to use?
According to Mark Hunt, the folks at COExperts, etc. there is only one brand that passes muster. Yet it cannot be UL certified because the UL test is designed to ignore low levels of CO, even if persistent low-level CO poisoning can lead to all sorts of issues. In my mind, several things have to happen.
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Heating appliances should be sealed and be required to draw air from the exterior, wherever practicable. For example, direct/power vent or outdoor gas water heaters should supplant the current crop of units. CO detectors should be installed in all homes. However, the UL standard should be changed to prevent long-term low-level poisoning as well as the laughable testing standard now in employ. Testing has to be ongoing, using random samples from the production lines, and over time to monitor the effect of aging on individual detector lines. For that matter, CO detectors should indicate the level of warning, low, med, and high (Tri-color LED, for example) to make life-or-death decisions a bit easier. Manufacturers whose detectors do not meet accepted safety standards should be forced to exchange all defective units in the field for free. This is a much better punishment than some sort of punitive tort settlement. On the education side, homeowners, and renters should receive a brochure when they move in detailing common dangers like generating CO if the kitchen stove is out of adjustment and how to react to such a warning. Lastly, we cannot legislate away stupidity. If folks consciously ignore safety warnings and/or common sense and then get hurt, it is their fault, end of story. It simply should not be necessary to plaster products with what I consider common-sense safety warnings like "Careful, this coffee is hot!" or "Don't play with gasoline next to a water heater". Yet, I suppose that common sense is in the eye of the beholder!
So, until we change the judicial system in this country to loser pays all parties expenses, the only certainty we face is that our insurance rates are going to keep increasing faster than the rate of inflation.
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=106505)
Top Show Topic Previous Next Date: June 16, 2004 08:59 AM
Author: Constantin (HeatingHelp@vonwentzel.net)
Subject: Well, what kind of a remedy do you propose?
Don't get me wrong, I happen to think O2, CO, and CO2 testing should be mandatory. Unfortunately, sometimes safety standards are allegedly heavily compromised by industry pressure groups. For example, Mark Hunt, the folks at COExperts.com, etc. can tell you at length how the UL standard for residential CO detectors was/is deficient.
At the end of the day, I think it comes down to training. If you get used to doing a CO test every time you install and service equipment, then it becomes second nature, just like wearing safety equipment for other hazardous activities. However, the hacks that prowl this industry
- Are never going to do something as fancy as a CO test. Heck you'd be lucky if they adjust the equipment for altitude, ambient conditions, and/or fuel source!
- Won't be around long enough to get sued out of existence when a homeowner is harmed. Some may even be sent to jail for manslaughter (at least in the UK, so thanks for the article link MH!)... yet AFAIK, this is not a common occurence in the US considering the many hack installs that more conscientious service people get to remedy later on.
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=106274)
Top Show Topic Previous Next Date: June 09, 2004 03:17 PM
Author: Constantin (HeatingHelp@vonwentzel.net)
Subject: Hey Mark,
If you're at it, have a look over at the Marine Battery section of my web-site. It may be of interest to you... Considering the very low Peukerts exponent of deep-cycle AGMs, that might be the battery type to go for when using electric propulsion. Even large current draws will thus have little effect on the available capacity of the battery.
As for CO, I ought to get a COExperts unit installed. We only have a small Diesel furnace and a even smaller propane stove, but even small can be deadly. Cheers!
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=105336)
Top Show Topic Previous Next Date: June 06, 2004 10:11 AM
Author: Tim McElwain (gastc@cox.net)
Subject: Summer Schedule
The latest schedule for training is out and can be seen in at http://coexperts.com/tim.htm to at Oil Tech Talk at Seminars section.
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=104775)
Top Show Topic Previous Next Date: April 06, 2004 11:09 PM
Author: Constantin (HeatingHelp@vonwentzel.net)
Subject: There is a difference though.
Smoke detectors did not "feature" a 40% failure rate after installation.
Granted, the smoke detector technology may be simpler (photocell and/or ionization via radiation) but there is no reason to sell a product you know does not protect its buyers from dangerous levels of CO 40% of the time. Under said circumstances, I would either improve the performance of CO detectors until they either warn of unsafe levels (coexperts, etc.) or I concluded that it couldn't be done and stopped development.
Furthermore, writing a UL standard for my own convenience is the sort of thing I expect from the likes of Enron, not ethical businesses. If the industry has cleaned up its act since the GRI and other posted reports, I'd love to hear about it. In the meantime, I'll spec a set of coexperts units for the house.
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=94829)
Top Show Topic Previous Next Date: March 15, 2004 02:33 PM
Author: rudy (rudy@eurekanet.com)
Subject: Wonder where they got the Experts
First off, I’ve got to wonder where they came up with the “Experts” and whether any of the “Experts” ever put an alarm in a bag and blew it up with carbon monoxide to see what happened.
I have, it is amazing.
I done this with the Nighthawk they mentioned in the article. Since UL prohibits displaying a reading or alarming below 30 ppm, it won’t – ever.
Because UL allows the unit to display between 30 and 70 ppm, it does but only for about 1 second every minute and because UL prohibits an approved alarm from alarming at that range, it won’t – ever…..
And the article was wrong about alarming within 189 minutes at 70 ppm. Remember who UL’s customers are!! Not the end consumer but the manufacturer of the alarm. That was changed to 240 minutes in the final standard probably because few alarms would go off at 70 ppm for 189 minutes.
Ironic that the “Experts” would recommend a "Test/Reset button, which allows you to check that the alarm is functioning properly.” All UL requires the Test/Reset button to check is the electronics and buzzer – not the sensor itself.
Take a look at the GRI report on the performance and reliability of home CO alarms linked from George’s website (coexperts.com) I mentioned below.
Can you imagine how long you would be in business if 38% of your work failed!?!?!
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=89826)
Top Show Topic Previous Next Date: March 10, 2004 10:03 PM
Author: rudy (rudy@eurekanet.com)
Subject: Such a shame
And it really pisses me off that according to a GRI report, of the 90 alarms they purchased off retail shelves and tested,38% failed, brand new, right out of the box.
Yet when they pressed the 'test' button, the alarms tested 'OK' -- because UL only requires the 'test' button test the electronics, not the sensor.
The study is linked from George Kerr's website, www.coexperts.com . He has alot of critical information there everybody needs to keep up on and pass on.
Not only for your business but you and your families as well.
How many of you have a UL approved alarm in your own home?
Personally, I pitched the UL approved Nighthawk I had. I tested it with CO calibration gas and was amazed, at 100ppm it took 4 1/2 to alarm (as UL requires).
Tried that with the CO-Experts alarm, it went off in 20 sec's.....
I have two of Georges monitors in my home and travel with another, they've worked flawlessly.
JMHO
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=88894)
Top Show Topic Previous Next Date: February 21, 2004 08:33 PM
Author: rudy (rudy@eurekanet.com)
Subject: CO-Experts Low Level Monitors
The website for the CO-Experts Monitors is www.coexperts.com .
I used to have a Nighthawk in my own home but after running the two in a bag filled up with 100ppm CO calibration gas and finding that the CO-Experts alarmed in 20 sec's as opposed to the Nighthawk's 4 1/2 hour response time, I pitched the Nigthawk and bought another CO-Experts...
If you can't find them locally, you might try http://www.ncinstitute.com/LowLevelCO.htm
(http://forums.invision.net/Index.cfm?CFApp=2&Message_ID=85008)
Top Show Topic Previous Next Date: February 02, 2004 11:53 PM
Author: Mark Hunt (mark@comforthometech.com)
Subject: good for
letting the EMT's know why you are on the floor and that's about all.
If you want REAL protection, go here:
www.coexperts.com
Do not buy a false sense of security. 70ppm of CO could be deadly to some, yet the detector you mention will not alarm at that level for several hours, if it alarms at all.
This is one product you DO NOT want to skimp on.
Mark H
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Posts: 168I have a nighthawk CO tester (same brand that is sold by Wal-Mart, Home Depot AND Lowe's). It has an LED readout with a peak-level recall feature.
Anyways I bought one, installed the Energizer that came with it, and plugged it in to a non, switched, hot socket.
About 24 hours later the freakin' low battery alarm sounded. I took out the battery, put it back in, and plugged it back in. Worked fien for 24 hours. Then the stupid thing went off again in the middle of the night. I unhooked it and exchanged it a few days later.
New one does the exact same thing. (different non-switched, always-hot socket).
I sent an email at the company's website but haven't heard back. Sent the email this past weekend.
The only two things I can think of are
1) I am doing something grossly incompetent (yes I read and re-read TFM)
2) Nighthawk just made a bad batch of CO detectors.
Any of you pros know anything about this?
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Posts: 363Nighthawk The first time you said it was low battery. The second time you just said it went off. Did you check the peak level? You may have a CO problem. Usually these alarms don't go off until most adults people are deathly sick. Of course if there are kids they will be unconscious. Wouldn't recommend a Nighthawk to anyone I liked, but they are cheap!!
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Posts: 333jim davis Hey jim , I see you dont like the nighthawk ? I wonder why & what brand would your suggest ? Bob h
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Posts: 838Get the best: http://www.coexperts.com/
Get the "Model 2004", which just came out. I will be ordering it soon myself. W/special discount, each monitor seems to cost $100.00
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Posts: 363Re: jim davis quote:
I stood in a kitchen this winter with a stove that was producing 3000+ppm of CO. A Nighthawk was plugged in 6' away and never read anything. The lady of the house had been severely sick. We checked the Nighthawk and it was good, just not sensitive enough. Only recommend CO-Experts.
Originally posted by bobh
Hey jim , I see you dont like the nighthawk ? I wonder why & what brand would your suggest ? Bob h
Can find them on our website-www.ncinstitute.com. New model is coming out. Digital display 10ppm-1st audible alarm at 25ppm. Manufacturer has catered to some more ignorance, but still is the safest alarm on market, not available in stores. Requires companies that can afford CO analyzers and training to respond.
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Posts: 148Here's an article to read:
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/news/031004_NW_da_poison.html?DCMP=EMC-wjrt
And if you click on the video, the reporter says that the home did have a CO alarm - but it didn't go off.
Which doesn't suprise me...
If these folks had a UL/2034 approved alarm, it is prohibited from alarming below 70ppm.
Plus, according to a Gas Institute Report on "The Performance and Reliability of CO Alarms", there is a 38% chance that a brand new alarm will not work.
It's horrific that UL does not require that when the 'test' button is pressed that it actually test the sensor, only the electronics and the buzzer....
I have personally done alot of 'field testing' of several manufactures UL approved alarms (including Nighthawk, First Alert and Aprilair). Not anything against the manufacturers, if they want UL approvel, they have to make a dumbed down product....
I have two CO-Experts alarms in my home and a third one I travel with.
The CO-Experts website does have a special introductory offer, but you have to document you are 'in the trades' to get one direct from them - they only want to sell to the general public through heating contractors who have instruments and training to respond in the event of an alarm.
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Posts: 2646Not sure what the room temperature is, but the Nighthawks as well as many other brands will get squirrelly and sound alarms when they get too cold.
Also read that some of the Nighthawks have had a problem with cellphone? or cordless phone? signals interfering with them.
Also have found many problems with Nighthawks plugged into loose recepticals causing them to beep and kick in and out of battery mode.
Try plugging it into another receptacle if it's a 115 volt model.
I still think that the Nighthawks are the best brand available in a retail store, but obviously the high dollar one people are talking about here might be better.
[Edited by midhvac on 03-11-2004 at 12:57 PM]
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Posts: 547Put it in a different outlet. On a different line. Is it reading anything? Is it by the garage door?
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Posts: 52get the best co-expert I am a homeowner and i researched co alarms for my plane. Everybody raved about the co-experts alarm. I found it on an aviation website, but you can probably google it elsewhere. I have one in my home and for fun tested it by putting it under my mosquito magnet which puts out co2 and co, it worked like a charm. In an airplane co is silent and very deadly, you need the most accurate and co-experts alarm is the one I see in the planes of people who take pride in their planes and lives. just my two cents worth, hope it helps.
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Posts: 168Re: Nighthawk quote:
Originally posted by Jim Davis
The first time you said it was low battery. The second time you just said it went off. Did you check the peak level? You may have a CO problem. Usually these alarms don't go off until most adults people are deathly sick. Of course if there are kids they will be unconscious. Wouldn't recommend a Nighthawk to anyone I liked, but they are cheap!!
No the second time it was an LB alarm as well. Exact same MO.
2 different sockets, 2 different CO alarms.
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Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 10, 2004 08:40 PM
Author: Mark Hunt
Subject: I didn't want this story buried.
A tragedy. A 14 year old girl is killed by CO in a home WITH a CO alarm. It did not go off.
There are more "faulty" alarms than you think.
If you don't test, you don't know.
http://www.mlive.com/news/bctimes/index.ssf?/base/news-1/1078937143219070.xml
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Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 10, 2004 09:59 PM
Author: Mark Hunt
Subject: Too important
She was too young to die.
It breaks my heart.
Mark H
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Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 11, 2004 02:57 AM
Author: rod
Subject: hi mark
Do you know of a co detestor that is line voltage and has a aux contact as in no or nc that could be used in cunjuction with the home automation system.I could the trigger lights.shut the boiler down activate sirens or mabbe just open the doors if an alarm condition exists. Thanks Rod
Top Previous Next Print Reply Edit* Date: March 15, 2004 02:33 PM
Author: rudy
Subject: Wonder where they got the Experts
First off, I’ve got to wonder where they came up with the “Experts” and whether any of the “Experts” ever put an alarm in a bag and blew it up with carbon monoxide to see what happened.
I have, it is amazing.
I done this with the Nighthawk they mentioned in the article. Since UL prohibits displaying a reading or alarming below 30 ppm, it won’t – ever.
Because UL allows the unit to display between 30 and 70 ppm, it does but only for about 1 second every minute and because UL prohibits an approved alarm from alarming at that range, it won’t – ever…..
And the article was wrong about alarming within 189 minutes at 70 ppm. Remember who UL’s customers are!! Not the end consumer but the manufacturer of the alarm. That was changed to 240 minutes in the final standard probably because few alarms would go off at 70 ppm for 189 minutes.
Ironic that the “Experts” would recommend a "Test/Reset button, which allows you to check that the alarm is functioning properly.” All UL requires the Test/Reset button to check is the electronics and buzzer – not the sensor itself.
Take a look at the GRI report on the performance and reliability of home CO alarms linked from George’s website (coexperts.com) I mentioned below.
Can you imagine how long you would be in business if 38% of your work failed!?!?!
Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 15, 2004 11:05 PM
Author: Mark Hunt
Subject: I can't imagine
a loving parent acceptimg anything other than the best for their child.
Do you all really believe that there were NO "CO alarms" in ANY of the homes I have posted about?!?!?!?!
Attention to all that read this post: The CO alarms that you can readily purchase will only protect the life of a healthy, middle aged adult! And that is NOT guaranteed!
You got kids???? I do. Do you think I would trust their lives to a toy? Because that is what you are all buying when you purchase a CO alarm, unless you have a CO experts alarm.
I've tested the most available alarms, most of them do not work!
Hello contractors!!!!!!! You need to listen to this! Your customers are going to go and buy a useless CO alarm. In doing so they will feel protected, but YOU and I know that they are not.
Get to a class by Jim Davis. Mark Eatherton did and he loved it. Do you respect his opinion? I swear you will LEARN!
People are getting killed. This poster is looking for the TRUTH! He is your customer. Do you know the truth?
To answer Tom's question:
The UL stamp means nothing other than the CO alarm will not cause a fire. That's it! Now, you must also understand that only ONE sample was ever presented for the UL listing. They do NOT test any others! EVER!!!!!!!!
"Here is our design, and they will all be like this"
No testing of the product afterwards! No kidding!!!!
Do not EVER prescribe one of these "false alarms"! People die that way.
Get trained, get testing.
Mark H
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Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 11, 2004 05:06 PM
Author: Aidan (UK)
Subject: CO
A 10-year old boy died here, poisoned in his sleep by fumes from a badly installed boiler in a neighbour's house.
"You put your child to bed thinking he is in the safest place in the world, and tragically it isn't."
Tragic and avoidable.
http://www.ypn.co.uk/ViewArticlemore2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID=752449
Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 16, 2004 09:02 PM
Author: TomBk
Subject: Best Location For CO Detector Is...?
What is the best location generally to install a CO Detector?
How about in a multifamily house, say a two story house with four apartments and a basement.
Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 16, 2004 09:06 PM
Author: Mark Hunt
Subject: Near bedrooms
at eye level.
Puting an alarm in a basement will probably not do any good, as no-one will probably hear it.
For muiti-family units, at least one in each and again, near bedrooms. DO NOT plug a CO alarm into a wall outlet near the floor! By the time it reads enough CO to alarm, someone may already be dead.
Mark H
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Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 10, 2004 10:03 PM
Author: rudy
Subject: Such a shame
And it really pisses me off that according to a GRI report, of the 90 alarms they purchased off retail shelves and tested,38% failed, brand new, right out of the box.
Yet when they pressed the 'test' button, the alarms tested 'OK' -- because UL only requires the 'test' button test the electronics, not the sensor.
The study is linked from George Kerr's website, www.coexperts.com . He has alot of critical information there everybody needs to keep up on and pass on.
Not only for your business but you and your families as well.
How many of you have a UL approved alarm in your own home?
Personally, I pitched the UL approved Nighthawk I had. I tested it with CO calibration gas and was amazed, at 100ppm it took 4 1/2 to alarm (as UL requires).
Tried that with the CO-Experts alarm, it went off in 20 sec's.....
I have two of Georges monitors in my home and travel with another, they've worked flawlessly.
JMHO
Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 10, 2004 10:18 PM
Author: Mark Hunt
Subject: It's going to change Rudy
Soon.
I also want to thank you for helping me out last week!
I'll sell 10 Fyrite's for you! What a GREAT GREAT company Bacharach is!!!!!
From now on I am going to tell people to buy canaries. They "go off" at much lower levels than the P'sOS on the shelves at the hardware store.
"Better than nothing" eh? Go tell that to the folks that will be burying that young girl. BTW, her picture is on another link I got for the same story. She had a beautiful smile.
Tomorrow morning 100,000 "experts in ignorance" are going to go to work and "service" or install 100,000 deadly devices. Then I'll get to read about the victims. Of course, all of you will as well.
And just so you know Rudy, you did a fine job teaching that Jim Davis guy. He reminded me just how important my Fyrites are. Never leave home without them!
The industry has the chance to lead the charge here. If we don't Big Brother will, and we all know how well he does things.
What do S.I.D.S, Parkinsons, Alzheimers, and Congestive Heart failure all have in COmmon?
Mark H
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Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 11, 2004 12:31 PM
Author: rudy
Subject: So..
So Jim has finally gotten everthing I told him down, eh?
Just kidding, every time I talk with the man, I learn something new!!
It is just a shame that these kids are dead. My youngest is around the same age, can't imagine the grief the families must be experiencing....
Hopefully, between you, mad dog, jim and alot of others on this site, we can prevent these type incidents in the future.
I noticed in the video of the incident you mentioned, a new furnace was being installed at this home - can't help but wonder if the folks who did the install tested....
Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 11, 2004 08:42 PM
Author: Mad Dog
Subject: CO EXPERT DETECTORS..........................
have no peer. Just bought another dozen.....set one in the truck.....34 ppm...in my truck!!!!!! Where should I put the barometric Mark? He hee hee Mad Dog
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Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 11, 2004 09:19 PM
Author: rudy
Subject: Did the same thing
When I got my first one, I happened to have it in my truck. Went off and read 45 ppm. Mentioned it to my mechanic, he said he could hear an exhaust manifold leak.
Used a Fyrite Pro to verify and figure out where the leak was - pinpointed it to the exact location and only cost me 15 hundred bucks to take care of!!
I ended up giving him a CO-Experts alarm for X-mas a year ago (what else do ya give a mechanic that he'll appreciate!!). The thing goes off a couple times a day in his shop. He uses it to give him some feedback on when to close the garage door after he pulls a car in/out.
Interesting, I've had him do work for 15+ years. He's always had a persistent hacking cough. Recently, I've noticed that has gone away....
Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 11, 2004 11:56 PM
Author: Mark Hunt
Subject: Well Dog
you can install the barometric anywhere you like, but a proctologist will be required for the Star Cap.
I already miss hanging out with you bud!
You and Bart BETTER make plans for some hunting with Darin and I this year! Now that I know how to get to your house, I'll come down and lend a hand for certain! (Especially if I get another steak dinner!)
You are a good friend Matt. Always and forever.
Mark H
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Top Previous Next Print Reply Date: March 12, 2004 07:52 AM
Author: Jeff Lawrence
Subject: bringing it back up
I'm posting this for 2 reasons, the first and foremost is to bring this post back up to the top.
The second reason is to repeat "If you don't test, you don't know."
I purchased a RV camper last year, right before Memorial Day. I've pressed the test buttons on the built-in propane detector and the built-in CO detectors fairly regularly and they have alarmed. I 'noticed' the (9 volt) battery operated smoke detector right inside the door and pressed the 'push-to-test' button. Nothing. Held the button down. Nothing. I then removed it from the ceiling to look at it. The gent that did the pre-delivery inspection never turned the battery